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Comments on: Forget Streaming, Sorta http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/ Trinidad and Tobago Online Content Mon, 21 May 2012 20:08:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Jumbie http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-418 Jumbie Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:00:50 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-418 Sorry, Sorry. Been a bit busy with a new job and all.... Just wanted to mention, people will not remain novices, and they will want better quality. So starting TV on youtube may well be a backward step. Better to go directly to something that will need less upheaval to improve in the long run. When I was buying my vid cam, I opted for one recording to hard drive, rather than tape or DVD. Soon these will be phased out, so I'd have had to get another eventually, right? Now I paid a little (a very little) more, but I am sure my cam is good for the next 5 years at least. Maybe the television you want should look to move into a high quality, high reliable format without the intermediate steps. As I see it, your grouse is the unreliability of the present service, not so much the quality of the vids, but quality of service. Shine your boots and give them a swift kick, man. Sorry, Sorry. Been a bit busy with a new job and all….

Just wanted to mention, people will not remain novices, and they will want better quality. So starting TV on youtube may well be a backward step. Better to go directly to something that will need less upheaval to improve in the long run.

When I was buying my vid cam, I opted for one recording to hard drive, rather than tape or DVD. Soon these will be phased out, so I’d have had to get another eventually, right?

Now I paid a little (a very little) more, but I am sure my cam is good for the next 5 years at least.

Maybe the television you want should look to move into a high quality, high reliable format without the intermediate steps. As I see it, your grouse is the unreliability of the present service, not so much the quality of the vids, but quality of service.

Shine your boots and give them a swift kick, man.

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By: E http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-379 E Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:43:43 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-379 I understand what is available, I understand what can be done, I understand. I'm thinking of things in terms of what is most feasible. I'm also thinking about the users, not the more technical persons like myself. More advanced users know about RSS, of those, they're probably using Google Reader. The people that do this, are they a large number? Not for the Caribbean, no. What about email? Are you using hotmail, Yahoo! or Gmail? Desktop apps, are you using Outlook or Thunderbird? Browsers, are you using IE? The number of people using Firefox is low. What's my point? The people who are into this, the more technical people: they make up a small percentage of the overall population. The people, the everyman, they like the hotmails, the internet explorers. SO - YouTube is in the clear? Why? People know youtube. This is why I said use it. If shows put up the best clips from episodes up on youtube, people will see, people will share and because YouTube's community is so large, just about anyone could potentially see your stuff. What the site was intended for means nothing, what you do with it is important. Myspace was meant for bands. The site currently speaks for itself. The chance of local stations getting up to what networks like ABC are doing (using their own player, streaming full shows in HD) is years off, I think. Sites for E! and VH1 have their own players, but guess what - here's a Youtube channel for a show on E! that I love http://youtube.com/watchthesoup I'm talking in terms of what people would want/use and what is readily available. Did I ever mention I am not a fan of youtube? You wouldn't guess it, but you know what, I'd take reliability over "quality". To give a proper service, I say dump JumpTV and do your own thing, but I think local station severely underestimate the importance of the internet. On one hand that is to their disadvantage, on the other it's a good thing because I don't think much of their content is really for anyone other than "homesick trinis". I understand what is available, I understand what can be done, I understand. I’m thinking of things in terms of what is most feasible. I’m also thinking about the users, not the more technical persons like myself. More advanced users know about RSS, of those, they’re probably using Google Reader. The people that do this, are they a large number? Not for the Caribbean, no. What about email? Are you using hotmail, Yahoo! or Gmail? Desktop apps, are you using Outlook or Thunderbird? Browsers, are you using IE? The number of people using Firefox is low.

What’s my point? The people who are into this, the more technical people: they make up a small percentage of the overall population. The people, the everyman, they like the hotmails, the internet explorers. SO - YouTube is in the clear? Why? People know youtube. This is why I said use it. If shows put up the best clips from episodes up on youtube, people will see, people will share and because YouTube’s community is so large, just about anyone could potentially see your stuff. What the site was intended for means nothing, what you do with it is important. Myspace was meant for bands. The site currently speaks for itself.

The chance of local stations getting up to what networks like ABC are doing (using their own player, streaming full shows in HD) is years off, I think. Sites for E! and VH1 have their own players, but guess what - here’s a Youtube channel for a show on E! that I love http://youtube.com/watchthesoup

I’m talking in terms of what people would want/use and what is readily available. Did I ever mention I am not a fan of youtube? You wouldn’t guess it, but you know what, I’d take reliability over “quality”. To give a proper service, I say dump JumpTV and do your own thing, but I think local station severely underestimate the importance of the internet. On one hand that is to their disadvantage, on the other it’s a good thing because I don’t think much of their content is really for anyone other than “homesick trinis”.

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By: Jumbie http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-378 Jumbie Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:24:21 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-378 One thing I neglected to point out. Youtube was started as a site to share small amateur clips among friends and personal network. The success outran the intention. So it really is an improper forum for media such as television or movies beyond a few minutes. One thing I neglected to point out. Youtube was started as a site to share small amateur clips among friends and personal network. The success outran the intention. So it really is an improper forum for media such as television or movies beyond a few minutes.

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By: Jumbie http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-377 Jumbie Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:20:29 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-377 Nobody NEEDS high quality video, they just want it. People always want the best. Its a fact of life. hence you moving to broadband from dial up. Its a better experience, more enjoyable. You prefer broadband now, that does not mean to say if you only had dial up you wouldn't take it. I have a fast connection, I prefer high quality videos, TV etc. So do all my friends; simply because its a better experience. My DVD player has DTS sound, also ACS 5.1 surround and Dolby Stereo. Which do you think I use? DTS. For the experience. I even make my audio CDS into DTS. Going to the cinema to see Spiderman 3 in Dolby 9.1 surround sound (even 5.1 surround) is GREAT. Right? Until you experience IMAX 50 foot screens and over 44 speakers in front and literally one under every seat in the cinema. Overkill? Not when you can hear down to a pin drop. You're speaking from your experience, because thats what you know so I can't and won't fault you for that. But trust me, life is bigger than Trinidad and TSTT and one day if you do experience it, you will see why I say quality will always win. if only for enjoyment. Nobody NEEDS high quality video, they just want it. People always want the best. Its a fact of life. hence you moving to broadband from dial up. Its a better experience, more enjoyable.

You prefer broadband now, that does not mean to say if you only had dial up you wouldn’t take it.

I have a fast connection, I prefer high quality videos, TV etc. So do all my friends; simply because its a better experience. My DVD player has DTS sound, also ACS 5.1 surround and Dolby Stereo. Which do you think I use? DTS. For the experience. I even make my audio CDS into DTS.

Going to the cinema to see Spiderman 3 in Dolby 9.1 surround sound (even 5.1 surround) is GREAT. Right? Until you experience IMAX 50 foot screens and over 44 speakers in front and literally one under every seat in the cinema. Overkill? Not when you can hear down to a pin drop.

You’re speaking from your experience, because thats what you know so I can’t and won’t fault you for that. But trust me, life is bigger than Trinidad and TSTT and one day if you do experience it, you will see why I say quality will always win. if only for enjoyment.

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By: E http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-376 E Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:09:14 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-376 Nobody needs high quality video, youtube quality is just fine, for anything more there are video sites that have higher quality so it's not a major problem. My thing is, even dial up people can let a youtube video load as opposed to getting braced from a stream. Nobody needs high quality video, youtube quality is just fine, for anything more there are video sites that have higher quality so it’s not a major problem. My thing is, even dial up people can let a youtube video load as opposed to getting braced from a stream.

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By: Jumbie http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-375 Jumbie Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:03:05 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-375 The problem with Flash, and youtube vids (and others of that ilk) is that the compression is so high, a lot of quality is lost. Not to mention its near to impossible to get a full screen pic. Full high quality streaming media such as through Quicktime requires a high bandwidth, a download speed of about 350KBps. Notice I said download speed. This is not your broadband speed. So to obtain this speed you need about 2 MBps at least. Hopefully one day, TSTT will crawl into the 21st century. The problem with Flash, and youtube vids (and others of that ilk) is that the compression is so high, a lot of quality is lost. Not to mention its near to impossible to get a full screen pic.

Full high quality streaming media such as through Quicktime requires a high bandwidth, a download speed of about 350KBps. Notice I said download speed. This is not your broadband speed. So to obtain this speed you need about 2 MBps at least.

Hopefully one day, TSTT will crawl into the 21st century.

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By: Dre http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-374 Dre Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:16:49 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-374 the streaming is definitely not for the local market as you can already see them on the TV. I am thinking the market is really for those abroad that as Jumbie said is missing out on local television. the streaming is definitely not for the local market as you can already see them on the TV. I am thinking the market is really for those abroad that as Jumbie said is missing out on local television.

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By: E http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-373 E Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:26:19 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-373 I hear ya, don't expect all to be with me, but they missing out on a market too. I don't watch all that much TV, and flash, youtube vids easier for the majority of dial-uppers here locally. I hear ya, don’t expect all to be with me, but they missing out on a market too. I don’t watch all that much TV, and flash, youtube vids easier for the majority of dial-uppers here locally.

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By: Jumbie http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-372 Jumbie Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:04:32 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-372 It all comes down to bandwidth my friend. I am not sure what yours is, but mine is 10 MBps and yes, I can download at a whopping (actual speed) of 1700+ KBps. How fast is that? I can download a full, proper DVD in a couple of hours. So I get most TV and radio streaming online perfectly synced with no problems. I watch free TV online, and also I get free streaming Flash movies of good quality at my leisure. That being said, I have never tried Jump TV. Not because it's expensive, but because I really don't miss TnT television enough to pay for it. You may find it expensive in Trinidad but its not on the Internet for Trinis at home, you call can switch on your TV for that. It's aimed at the homesick Trinis abroad where the price is more than affordable due to higher exchange rates. For me, the monthly fees in ££ is about the same as I'd pay to see ONE movie in the cinema. And thats without the snacks. So... 1 movie as opposed to 1 month TV...hmm? I think you may have a genuine grouse from a personal point of view, but the majority may not agree with you on this one. It all comes down to bandwidth my friend. I am not sure what yours is, but mine is 10 MBps and yes, I can download at a whopping (actual speed) of 1700+ KBps. How fast is that? I can download a full, proper DVD in a couple of hours.

So I get most TV and radio streaming online perfectly synced with no problems. I watch free TV online, and also I get free streaming Flash movies of good quality at my leisure.

That being said, I have never tried Jump TV. Not because it’s expensive, but because I really don’t miss TnT television enough to pay for it. You may find it expensive in Trinidad but its not on the Internet for Trinis at home, you call can switch on your TV for that. It’s aimed at the homesick Trinis abroad where the price is more than affordable due to higher exchange rates.

For me, the monthly fees in ££ is about the same as I’d pay to see ONE movie in the cinema. And thats without the snacks. So… 1 movie as opposed to 1 month TV…hmm?

I think you may have a genuine grouse from a personal point of view, but the majority may not agree with you on this one.

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By: E http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-370 E Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:59:33 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-370 Nah, Youtube I said for a reason, you get exposed to the userbase. Nah, Youtube I said for a reason, you get exposed to the userbase.

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By: Dre http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-369 Dre Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:55:39 +0000 http://www.allyuh.com/blog/2007/06/01/forget-streaming-sorta/#comment-369 I think the streaming is a step in the right direction even though the implementation needs some work.. maybe WITube instead of YouTube?? I think the streaming is a step in the right direction even though the implementation needs some work.. maybe WITube instead of YouTube??

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